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Wednesday 13 January 2021

Annealing Bullseye and Oceanside Together

Credit: Bullseye FAQ_kilnforming_annealing


The question sometimes arises as to whether Bullseye and Oceanside can be annealed in the same firing, since the two glasses cannot be combined in the same piece.  They also have different published annealing soak temperatures (also known as the annealing point).  The explanation requires some knowledge of annealing.

Annealing can be done at other than the annealing point. This is because annealing can be done over a range rather than being a single magic figure. Bullseye did not change their glass when they altered the recommended anneal temperature.  This means that the annealing point is still at 516°C. Their research has shown that good annealing results are obtained by doing the temperature equalisation soak at the lower end of the range.  Temperature equalisation throughout the piece is what happens during the annealing soak. Therefore, it is a descriptive term for what happens at the annealing temperature.

Bullseye's previous annealing temperature was 516°C and Spectrum's was/is 510°C. These are very close, and in the past, many chose to anneal at either - or in most cases, both - of these temperatures. Bullseye's research has shown doing the temperature equalisation at the lower end of the annealing range provides good results and ones that are more reliable than the higher temperature.  This research is applicable to all soda lime glasses, not just Bullseye. Therefore, the same principles can be applied to Oceanside fusing compatible glass, or any other fusing compatible glass. This further indicates that you can anneal both Bullseye and Oceanside fusing compatible glasses at the same temperature. 

Further support to this view of the possibility of annealing the two glasses at the same time and temperature is given by Wissmach.  Wissmach W90 and W96 now are both given the annealing temperature soak as 482°C.  Previously they both had been at 510°C.

If you feel the need to compensate for the annealing point differences, you can increase the 482°C for Bullseye by 6°C to 488°C for both. Although I don't think it is necessary, 488°C will be fine for Bullseye and safe for Oceanside.


Wednesday 6 January 2021

Consignment Venues

Credit: getlstd-property-photo

Finding suitable shops and outlets

Shops and galleries want stock that meet or exceed their customer expectations of quality, style, function and price.  In other words, they are looking for work that will fit with the other products already on show.  These shops generally will be those that already sell hand crafted work. You need to show how your work fits with or adds to the retail premises.  As you are selling handmade items, you also will be looking for shops with higher price levels to be able to sell to the shop at a reasonable profit.

You need to do your research.
What do you know about the gallery/shop?
  •  What is its perceived standing?  Is it a “go to” shop? Does it get discussed in media? Is it talked about in craft circles? What does its online presence look like?
  • Location.  Where is it? Is it in a prestigious area? Is it unobtrusive?
  • Will there be, or is there already, a good footfall?  Who are its customers? Who does the shop target as their clientele?
  • What is the fit between the shop and your pieces? Will your pieces fit in with the existing items? Will they stand out well, or seem odd?
  • Will the shop advise on the prices they expect to get?  Can the shop get you higher prices?
  • Does the shop have promotional events that you could participate in?

Visit the store/shop as though a customer first to assess the venue.  If the shop is too far away to visit in person, look online to get a sense of the business.  This will show how the shop fits with your products – style, kind, price levels.  Also take note of the presentation of the store internally and externally.

Even after visiting in person, an internet search will be useful, especially to find out about their submission policies and forms. Look at what internet profile they have. And do they have good online reviews? Also enquire around from people you know about the venue, and contact any local crafts organisation for more information.


Local vs regional/national

Should you be looking at local shops or be more ambitious and look at a wider area.  If you are willing to travel some distances for craft fairs, pop-up shops, etc., you may find expanding your search area to regional and multiple outlets a worthwhile activity.  You could take an extra day to investigate shops in the area or meet with the owners.

Some considerations in favour of starting local:
  • Low cost shipping. If your work is large or difficult to post, you can hand deliver.
  • Local helps to start small and get experience for larger volumes, more stores.
  • Local builds an audience for your work near your studio.
  • Getting featured in local press is easier that regional national.
  • Local allows for a more intimate relationship to be developed.
  • Starting local allows you to learn how to build up the volume of your work.

Assessment

Arranging a visit to the short list of shops is the next step.  After those meetings there is a further assessment of the venue to be done.  These are the same questions you looked at in your preliminary research about each shop:
  • What is its perceived standing?  How do they perceive themselves?
  • What is their media presence?  What is the customer perception?
  • Location in shopping terms.
  • What is the customer base and how does your work fit with that group of prospective purchasers?
  • How will your works fit with the shop and its presentation?
  • What advice is available on the prices they can get for your items?
  • What promotional activities are presented?
  • What are the consignment commission rates?
Since these are the questions you will be basing your decisions upon, they are the ones you should be asking during the appointment, if not already discovered from your prior investigations.  Assess how you feel about the responses you received after the conclusion of the meeting.  Do not make on the spot decisions.

Selection of a gallery or shop in which to place your work is a complex interaction of commission levels; the value you place on your time in preparing for and attending craft fairs or putting your work online; the perceived prestige of the shop/gallery; the potential relationship between you and the outlet; and the relationship of the consignment, wholesale and retail prices.




Wednesday 30 December 2020

Float annealing


As a result of various memory failures, I've done a bit of searching on the annealing of float glass.  There are now various compositions of float glass and with different coatings for various applications.

This leads to a variety of annealing points for Pilkington float glasses. The search led to various hard to find documents, which indicate a range of annealing temperatures between 548°C and 559°C. This is not a huge range, so anywhere between 548°C and 560°C can be taken as the annealing point. Pilkington indicate that optifloat has an annealing point of 548°C

The strain point seems to be mostly between 525°C and 530°C for all the varieties.  This indicates the temperature equalisation soak should not be less than 535°C.

The conclusion seems to be that annealing should have a temperature equalisation soak between 550°C and 535°C. It will not matter much where you choose, but remember that the closer to the strain point you do the temperature equalisation, the longer the soak should be.  The length of soak at 535°C can be determined by use of the Bullseye chart for Annealing Thick Slabs. This gives the times and rates for the anneal cooling of glass by thickness.  The temperatures need to be changed, but otherwise the information can be applied.

The softening point seems to be 725°C for all the glasses. This is a good low temperature for slumping.


Wednesday 23 December 2020

Consignment

Why sell on consignment?


Biscuit Factory, Newcastle


Benefits
Consignment arrangements can add income additional to your other strategies of online, direct sales, craft fairs, pop-up shops, etc. 

It can develop new customers, and develop growth in both commercial and artistic terms. 

It exposes your work to new and different customers.

It can provide opportunities to partner with another small business (the shop) and benefit from mutual promotion.  

Craft fairs are not a long term means to sell your work.  Fairs are concentrated at certain times of the year.  You cannot attend all of them anyway.

Consignment spreads the income over the seasons.

Down sides
Your stock is tied up in the shop.
Your craft fair and online prices need to be similar to the retail prices at the shop(s) to which you consign work.


Further Action
Consignment can be beneficial to your sales, but it does require preparation and effort. 

You need to investigate shops and prepare for a meeting with the owners. You need to have a written contract even with friends and it should include all the elements and assumptions for the arrangements.

If you decide to pursue consignment arrangements, there are several things you need to consider and prepare.
  • Finding suitable shops and stores and assessing them.
  • Preparation for meeting the owner.
  • Knowing your terms
  • Placing and promotion of your work.
  • Maintaining the relationship.
  • Wholesaling


These aspects of consignment are the subject of postings to come.


Selection of a gallery or shop in which to place your work is a complex interaction of commission levels; the value you place on your time in preparing for and attending craft fairs or putting your work online; the perceived prestige of the shop/gallery; the potential relationship between you and the outlet; and the relationship of the consignment, wholesale and retail prices.


Other posts on consignment:

Wednesday 16 December 2020

Mould repairs with ciment fondue



Ciment Fondue
Ciment fondue was a French discovery and so the French name has become common in Europe. The name ciment fondu is used for the formal name Calcium aluminate cement which is also called high alumina cement and aluminous cement.  It is composed mainly of Aluminium oxide (alumina) and calcium oxide (quicklime) with varying amounts of ferric oxide. The Aluminium Oxide varies from 40% to 80% for various applications. The calcium oxide content varies from 40% to 20% and the ferric oxide varies from 16% to none for refractory applications.  For kilnformers, the general purpose composition of 40% aluminium oxide, 40% calcium oxide and 16% ferric oxide is sufficient (the rest is made up of minor amounts of incidental minerals and metals).

It is costly in relation to Portland cement and is used mainly where quick curing strength is required and at low temperatures; in refractory concretes where strength at high temperatures is needed; and in sewer piping and other applications to provide protection against biological attack of the concrete.

It is also used in sculptural applications, both as the casting material, and as a strengthening element in a non-metallic structure.

It is mixed with water to form a paste.  The proportions are not required to be exact, as the ciment fondu separates out of the water due to its weight and very low water absorption.  Slightly different methods are needed to repair breaks, and to fill divots in the surface.

Breaks
To repair breaks or cracks in ceramic moulds the ciment fondu needs to be used on its own.  Mix the dry particles with water until a stiff slurry is formed.  Thoroughly wet the edges of the broken pieces or the cracked area.  Then apply the ciment fondu slurry to both edges.  Press the pieces together and bind them if they would otherwise separate.  This can be with elastic bands or tape or any material that will withstand moisture.

The internal surface must have all the ciment fondue cleaned from it.  It cures so hard that it is not practical to sand it smooth without damaging the ceramic surface.  This clean up can be with a lot of water and paper towels. Any tools you use need to be immediately cleaned with water.  Do not dispose of this clean up water down your drains. It will harden and narrow your drains, potentially blocking them so firmly that whole sections of the drain will need to be replaced.

When fixed together put the mould in plastic or other waterproof material for at least 24 hours to give a wet cure.  The ciment fondu is not completely cured until it is given a heat cure.  This should be above the expected operating temperature.  Although I have never fired any of my ceramic moulds above 680°C, I fire my repairs to 800°C.  The firing is smelly, so ventilate the kiln and room well.  Try to do the heat curing when the smell will not disturb you or your neighbours.


Divots
This mould had glass stuck to it and was damaged in removing the glass.

If there are scratches or divots in the mould surface, you need to add some material that will absorb water into the ciment fondue mix.  Cured ciment fondue rejects water and so does not get as well coated as the rest of the mould when kiln wash is applied.  



To prevent this rejection of water, I add finely ground vermiculite to the mix.  I use 3 parts or less vermiculite to 1 part ciment fondue (measured by volume).  This provides a firm surface that absorbs some water. Although the absorption of moisture is not as good as the ceramic, it is sufficient to get the kiln wash coverage required.



Once the mix is prepared, you need to thoroughly wet the area to be fixed. This prevents the ceramic absorbing the water from the ciment fondue too quickly. Apply the ciment fondue mix with whatever tools seem appropriate.  


You must smooth the applied mixture before it dries, as it is so hard when cured that it is not possible to sand it smooth without damaging the ceramic surrounding the repair.  Smoothing can be done with significant amounts of water and a smoothing tool such as a ceramicist’s kidney or a palette knife. 


Once smoothed to achieve the surface required, pour off the excess water.  Enclose the mould in a plastic bag for 24 hours for a wet cure. Once out of the bag and dry you can further smooth with very fine sandpaper.

Then fire to 700°C to 800°C to complete the cure.  When cool it is ready to kiln wash.  If you warm the mould to around 100°C, the kiln wash will adhere to the repaired areas a little better than the cold mould.  Once the first kiln washing of the mould is complete, further applications of kiln wash will be easier. Of course, if you use boron nitride to coat the mould, there will be no difficulty with the repaired areas.

All tools need to be cleaned immediately of the ciment fondue and the cleaning water disposed of on the garden or waste ground.  It should never be put down domestic or public drains.  It does no harm to the soil or plants, but it will certainly harm your plumbing.

Wednesday 9 December 2020

Clumping Kiln Wash



There are some reports of properly prepared kiln wash (1 part powder to 5 parts water by volume) clumping or going onto the shelf or mould unevenly.

My experience is that this happens on shelves that have been kiln washed and fired several times.  The dry kiln wash that has already been fired absorbs the water quickly leaving unevenly applied kiln wash.  The water is absorbed so quickly that it leaves unevenly distributed kiln wash over the existing, already fired kiln wash.

The immediate response of diluting the kiln wash even further leads to a lot of water being absorbed into the shelf leading to longer air-drying times.  It also risks getting insufficient kiln wash over the existing kiln wash. This risks the kiln wash sticking to the fired glass, which is the opposite of the intention of using fresh separator.




When the new kiln wash solution begins to clump, it is time to stop adding more over the top of the old.  It is time to remove the old, clean the shelf and start with a new smooth kiln washed shelf.  It does not take long and gives the satisfaction on knowing the bottom of your pieces will be flat.


Applying new kiln wash repeatedly over old leads to uneven application and clumping of the new.

Wednesday 2 December 2020

Consignment Rates


The most common comments about the rates for consignment of pieces to a gallery or gift shop are that they are not fair. They are too high. The gallery is greedy. And so on. How do you judge whether the commission rates are fair?  What are the factors that should be considered?




Time
How much is your time worth?  

Think about the amount of time used to prepare, promote and attend craft fairs, pop up shops, or prepare for and administer online selling. Could you be using that time to make more things, or be with your family?  How much would it improve your quality of life to have to do less selling?



Costs

What are the costs of attending craft fairs?  

    You have to acquire display materials, whether you make or buy them.  You must travel to the event.  You have to be prepared to accept breakage risks from repeated movement of the pieces.  You must pay for the space at the craft fair.



Customer base
Is the shop’s market different than yours at craft fairs or online marketplaces?  
    Shops have a different clientele than craft fairs or online shops.  They spend effort in attracting customers.  They know their clientele and what kind of things will sell to them.  They are aware of the pricing levels needed for their visitors.

Decision
Answering these questions about time, costs and customer base will give you an assessment of whether consignment commission rates being offered are fair. 

Wednesday 18 November 2020

Creating Flat Bottoms by Hand


No jokes please!

Often the moulds we use do not have a suitably flat bottom to them, making the resulting item wobble when set on a flat surface.  There are several ways to create a flat spot in the mould, reaching in to re-set the glass while firing, putting the glass in at a complimentary angle for a second firing - but they are not always successful.  

Of course, if you have the money you can use a flat lap or a linisher with a back plate to grind a flat spot on these bowls and other unstable pieces.

But,
You can still make a flat spot on your piece without machine tools.  Use a piece of float glass larger than your piece as your grinding base.  Put a slurry of 100 grit sand on the base and put your piece over.  Holding it level, make circular motions with firm downward pressure.  In only a few minutes you will have produced a large enough flat spot to stabilise your piece.



If you do not like the mess of the slurry, fasten a 100-grit sandpaper onto float glass, add water and do the same as you would with a slurry of grit.


Wednesday 11 November 2020

Annealing at the Lower End of the Range

Annealing can be done at other than the defined glass transition temperature - also known as the annealing point. Annealing occurs over a range rather than a single magic temperature. Bullseye did not change their glass when they altered the recommended annealing temperature.  Their research has shown that good results are obtained by annealing at the lower end of the range.  

A graph of some aspects of a specific and stiff soda lime glass illustrates this.

Annealing can be between the glass transition (annealing) point and the strain point
credit: Lehigh University

Bullseye's previous annealing temperature was 516C and Spectrum's was/is 510C. These are very close. Bullseye's research is applicable to all soda lime glasses. Therefore, the same principles can be applied to Oceanside fusing compatible glass.  It has already been applied to the Wissmach fusing lines.  This means that you can anneal both glasses at the same temperature.  If you feel the need, you can increase the 482C by 6C to 488 for both, but I don't think it is necessary.

The purpose of the annealing soak is to equalise the temperature within the glass to vary less than 5°C (i.e., +/- 2.5C).  If this is done at the lower end of the annealing range, there is less difficulty of maintaining that small difference throughout the cooling stages. 

Wednesday 28 October 2020

Sticking Fiber Paper


People are reporting different behaviours of their thicker fibre papers.  Mainly the difference is that small fibres stick to the glass after a full fuse or kiln carving firing.  There also seems to be a different smell from the burning binders.  This is most likely to be a body soluble refractory fibre paper that is being used.




It seems more suppliers are selling the body soluble versions of fibre paper. It sticks and it gives off a smell of volatile chemicals. I don't like it, but I may have to use it due to the unavailability of that more health risky stuff that worked very well.

There are several ways to minimise the fibres sticking to the glass.  They all relate to adding a separate coating of separator to the fibre paper before firing.  Among the coatings that can be used are kiln wash brushed on or powder dusted over, alumina hydrate, and boron nitride (Zyp is one brand name).  Some cut out Thinfire or Papyros to the shapes required.  (It seems to me that a single sheet of either of these placed over the whole area would do the job, as they turn mostly to dust upon firing).

Others have found that simply soaking in water overnight allows the fibres to be brushed off with stiff brushes.

Body soluble refractory fibre papers tend to stick to the glass at anything over low temperature tack fuses.  This requires an additional layer of separator to be applied over the paper.

It is each person’s choice, of course, but I will continue to attempt to get the older version of fibre paper.

Wednesday 21 October 2020

Specific Gravity of Unknown Glass

(warning: lots of arithmetic)

Knowing the specific gravity of a glass can be useful in calculating the required amount of glass needed, e.g., for casting, and screen and pot melts, where a specific volume needs to be filled.

Most soda lime glass – the stuff kilnformers normally use – is known to have a specific gravity of approximately 2.5.  That is, one cubic centimetre of glass weighs 2.5 grams. 

If you have glass that is of unknown composition for your casting, you will need to calculate it.

Calculating the specific gravity of unknown glass.

Specific gravity is defined as the ratio of the weight of a substance to (in the simple case) the weight of water.  This means first weighing the item in grams.  Then you need to find the volume.

Calculating the specific gravity of regularly shaped items

For regularly shaped item this is a matter of measuring length, width and depth in centimetres and multiplying them together. This gives you the volume in cubic centimetres (cc).

As one cubic centimetre of water weighs one gram, these measurements give you equivalence of measurements creating the opportunity to directly calculate weight from volume.

To calculate the specific gravity, divide the weight in grams by the volume in cubic centimetres.

An example:
To find the specific gravity of a piece of glass 30cm square and 6mm thick, multiply 30 x 30 x 0.6 = 540cc.  Next weigh the piece of glass. Say it is 1355 grams, so divide 1355gm by 540cc = s.g. of 2.509, but 2.5 is close enough.


Calculating specific gravity for irregularly shaped objects.

The unknown glass is not always regular in dimensions, so another method is required to find the volume.  You still need to weigh the object in grams.

Then put enough water in a measuring vessel, that is marked in cubic centimetres, to cover the object.  Record the volume of water before putting the glass in.  Place the object into the water and record the new volume.  The difference between the two measurements is the volume of the suibmerged object.  Proceed to divide the weight by the volume as for regularly shaped objects.


Credit: study.com

Application of specific gravity to casting and melts.

To find the amount of glass needed to fill a regularly shaped area to a pre-determined depth, you reverse the formula.  Instead of volume/weight=specific gravity, you multiply the calculated volume of the space by the specific gravity.

The formulas are:
v/w=sg to determine the specific gravity of the glass;
v*sg=w to determine the weight required to fill a volume with the glass.
Where v = volume; w = weight; sg= specific gravity;

You determine the volume or regular shapes by deciding how thick you want the glass to be (in cm) and multiply that by the volume (in cc). 
For rectangles
volume = thickness * length * depth (all in cm)
For circles
Volume = radius * radius *3.14 (Ï–)* thickness (all in cm)
For ovals
Volume = major radius * minor radius * 3.14 (Ï–)* thickness (all in cm)

Once you have the volume you multiply by the specific gravity to get the weight of glass to be added.


Calculating weight for irregularly shaped moulds.

If the volume to be filled is irregular, you need to find another way to determine the volume.  If your mould will hold water without absorbing it, you can fill the mould using the following method.

Wet fill
Fill the measuring vessel marked in cc to a determined level.  Record that measurement.  Then carefully pour water into the mould until it is full.  Record the resulting amount of water. Subtract the new amount from the starting amount and you have the volume in cubic centimetres which can then be plugged into the formula.

Dry fill
If the mould absorbs water or simply won’t contain it, then you need something that is dry.  Using fine glass frit will give an approximation of the volume.  Fill the mould to the height you want it to be.  Carefully pour, or in some other way move the frit, to a finely graduated measuring vessel that gives cc measurements.  Note the volume and multiply by the specific gravity.  Using the weight of the frit will not give you an accurate measurement of the weight required because of all the air between the particles.

An alternative is to use your powdered kiln wash and proceed in the same way as with frit.  Scrape any excess powder off the mould.  Do not compact the powder.  In this case, you must be careful to avoid compacting the powder as you pour it into the measuring vessel.  If you compact it, it will not have the same volume as when it was in the mould.  It will be less, and so you will underestimate the volume and therefore the weight of glass required.

Irregular mould frames
If you have an irregular mould frame such as those used for pot and screen melts that you do not want to completely fill, you need to do an additional calculation.  First measure the height of the frame and record it.  Fill and level the frame with kiln wash or fine frit.  Do not compact it.  Carefully transfer the material to the measuring vessel and record the volume in cc.

Calculate the weight in grams required to fill the mould to the top using the specific gravity.  Determine what thickness you want the glass to be.  Divide that by the total height of the mould frame (all in cm) to give the proportion of the frame you want to fill.  Multiply that fraction times the weight required to fill the whole frame to the top.

E.g. The filled frame would require 2500 gms of glass.  The frame is 2 cm high, but you want the glass to be 0.6 high.  Divide 0.6 by 2 to get 0.3.  Multiply that by 2500 to get 750 grams required.

Regular mould frames
For a regular shaped mould, you can do the whole process by calculations.  Find the volume, multiply by specific gravity to get the weight for a full mould.  Measure the height (in cm) of the mould frame and use that to divide into the desired level of fill (in cm).

E.g. The weight required is volume * specific gravity * final height/ height of the mould.

The maths required is simple once you have the formulae in mind.  All measured in centimetres and cubic centimetres

Essential formulae for calculating the weight of glass required to fill moulds (all measurements in cm.):

Volume of a rectangle = thickness*length*width
Volume of a circle = radius squared (radius*radius) * Ï– (3.14) * thickness
Volume of an oval = long radius * short radius * Ï– (3.14) * thickness
Specific gravity = volume/ weight

Wednesday 14 October 2020

Multiple Firings of Kiln Wash



Many people report that they fire multiple times on kiln wash that has not been renewed.  Most add coats over existing kiln wash.  They only remove all the kiln wash when it begins to crack, stick to the glass or gets divots.

We all know that kiln wash fired a second time to full fuse is likely to stick to the glass.  We also know that kiln wash fired to slumping temperatures lasts almost indefinitely.  Somewhere between the two temperatures the kiln wash undergoes a chemical change that makes it more likely to stick to the glass on the next full fuse firing. 

credit: Immerman Glass


Some people continue firing without adding additional layers of kiln wash until cracks, divots, or sticking occurs.  This leads to creating a fix after the failure of the kiln wash. This requires both finding a means of cleaning the kiln wash residue from the glass, and fixing the firing surface.

Others paint a layer of kiln wash on top of the existing separator before high temperature firings. This continues each firing with a fresh layer of kiln wash.  However, the same cracks, divots, and sticking occurs at some point, requiring a complete re-coating of the shelf, and getting the kiln wash off the glass.

credit: Sue McLeod Ceramics


Re-coating of a shelf takes a couple of minutes and can be done with simple tools.  A broad scraper will remove most of the kiln wash.  This can be followed by rubbing with an open weave sanding sheet as used for plaster board or other dry walling.  If you are worried about the dust – which has less risk than fibre papers – you can dampen the surface before beginning the cleaning process.

If the kiln wash has been on the shelf for many firings, it is more difficult to remove, requiring more effort than a single firing.  High temperature firings as for melts also make the kiln wash more difficult to remove. But the same process is used in these cases.
       
Kiln wash in firings at slump and low temperature tack fuses can be reused as many times as it remains smooth and undamaged since the temperature is not high enough to cause the chemical changes.

The ultimate benefit of renewing kiln wash is that not only less effort is required to clean and re-coat, than to fix pieces with kiln wash stuck to them, and also the cost of kiln wash is significantly less than fibre papers.


Wednesday 16 September 2020

Keeping Bottles from Rolling




A common problem in firing bottles is that they may roll into one another and stick, making both bottles useless.

One way to overcome this is to let the bottle find its heavy point by setting on smooth and level surface. It will gently roll to one direction before slowly coming back in the other. When it stops this oscillation, the heaviest part of the bottle will be on the bottom.  Mark the bottle in some way so you can move to the kiln in that position. If after this, it rolls in the kiln, then your shelf is not level. 

Additional assurance against rolling is putting a small piece of thin fibre paper (1 or 2 mm)at each side of the point the bottle touches the shelf.  Thinfire and Papyros are not enough to ensure there will be no movement. But the small bumps of fibre paper are enough to stop the bottle from rolling.

Sometimes you want a particular part of the bottle up or down, but it won’t stay in place.  Then you need to put a slightly thicker piece of fiber paper against the bottle on each side.  It is better if it is not Thinfire or Papyros as they tend to disintegrate above 400C, long before the bottle begins to distort enough to keep it in place.

Other materials you can use to prevent the bottle from rolling are crumbled chalk, whiting, kiln wash, or even a few grains of sand.

Preventing bottles from rolling in the kiln is about finding the natural heavy spot, or propping the bottle in place with a variety of heat resistant materials.