Tuesday, 14 October 2025
Observations on Some Suggestions about Annealing
Wednesday, 8 October 2025
Annealing a Stressed Piece
![]() |
An stress test strip and annealing witness between polarised filters. |
If an unbroken fired piece shows stress that is known not to be from incompatibility, it is possible to fire and anneal again to relieve the stress. If the stress results from incompatibilities, annealing again will not change the compatibility. The process for stress testing is here.
Conditions for doing this re-firing are:
Slower heat up rates than usual for this thickness and profile are required. The glass is more than usually fragile and needs gradual heating. This avoids creating additional stress that may cause a break.
Take the temperature up to the lower end of slumping temperature range - say 600 - 620C (1100 - 1150F) - and soak for 10 – 30 minutes depending on profile and thickness. This ensures any existing stress is relieved and the glass is ready for the annealing.
Reduce the temperature as fast as possible to the existing or new annealing temperature.
Anneal for longer than previously. This can be for a greater thicknesses than the thickness and profile used for the stressed piece. Most importantly, the anneal soak for the combination of profile and thickness needs to be followed.
My experimentation has shown that the profile determines the additional amount of thickness that needs to be allowed for a sound anneal is as follows:
- Full flat fuse - fire for the thickness (i.e. times 1)
- Contour fuse - fire for 1.5 times the thickest part
- Rounded tack fuse - fire for 2 times the thickest part
- Sharp tack/sinter - fire for 2.5 times the thickest part.
Use the cool rates related to the anneal soak time. These are available from the Bullseye site for Celsius and Fahrenheit. Too rapid a cool can induce temporary stress from differential contraction of the glass that is great enough to cause breaks, so follow the rates determined for this thickness and profile.
These rates are scientifically determined for all glass and especially for fusing glass and are inversely related to the anneal soak. That means the longer the anneal soak, the slower the cooling rates need to be, and directly related to the soak length. It does not matter which manufacturer's glass is being used, all the target times and temperatures should be followed, except the annealing temperature.
More information is available in my e-book Annealing Concepts, Principles, and Practice available from Bullseye, Etsy, and stephen.richard43@gmail.com
Wednesday, 17 September 2025
A Sintering Project
The project is to fire 6mm “balls” stacked 3 high onto a single sheet of clear glass without significant alteration to the base sheet or to the stacked balls. This creates a total thickness of 21mm. The proposal is to sinter the whole in one firing.
Scheduling for a sinter firing needs to be done as though 2.5 times the thickest part – in this case 52mm, or 2 inches
It is slightly more risky to do this in two firings, than one, in my opinion. A suggested schedule for sintering frit using Bullseye was:
- 100ºC /180ºF — 482ºC /900ºF, 60' =5.8 hrs
40ºC /72ºF — 593ºC/1100ºF,10' =2.8
20ºC /36ºF — 665ºC /1230ºF,30 =4.1
Skip to anneal temperature, soak for 6 hours =6.5
6.7ºC /12ºF — 427ºC /800ºF,0' =8.2
12ºC /22ºF — 371ºC /700ºF,0' =4.7
40ºC /72ºF — room temperature,0’ =8.8
Off =40.9 hours total or 1.7 days
This was annealing as for 38mm/1.5 inches thick. Annealing for 50mm/2” thick would need about 112 hours or 4.6 days.
However this schedule was not successful – the pieces were only lightly stuck together. Thinking about why, led to the proposal that the soak time and temperature were not long or high enough to give adhesion between the pieces.
A second attempt used a faster ramp rates to higher temperatures.
200°C /360°F – 540°C /1004ºF, 30’ =3.2 hrs
60°C /108°F -625°C /1157ºF, 30’ =1.92
30ºC /54ºF - 685ºC /1265ºF, 120’ =4.0
skip to anneal temperature and soak/hold for 4 hours (as for 25mm/1”)
15ºC /27ºF – 427ºC /800ºF, 0’ =3.67
27ºC /49ºF – 370ºC /700ºF, 0’ =2.11
90ºC /162ºF – 50ºC /122ºF, 0’ =3.56
Off
= a minimum total of 18.5 hours plus natural cooling of the kiln
This schedule used a:
faster first ramp to a higher (540ºC /1004ºF) first soak
a faster (60ºC /108ºF, which is 150% of the previous) rate to the lower slump temperature (625ºC /1157ºF)
the same relative reduction (50%) in rate to a higher temperature (685ºC /1265ºF)
a shorter (120’) anneal soak
and consequently faster cooling rates, which showed no stress after firing
The whole structure held together and was sound. There was no apparent change in the size of the individual 6mm balls.
This difference in scheduling is an illustration of how time and temperature can be interchanged.
It also shows that size matters when sintering pieces together. Higher temperatures and more time are required for dots and balls than for frit.
More information is available in my e-book Low Temperature Kilnforming, available from Bullseye, Etsy and stephen.richard43@gmail.com
Thursday, 11 September 2025
Elevation of Moulds
Is it necessary to elevate slumping moulds above the shelf?
I first heard of the need to elevate moulds from a Bhole representative about 2007. I ignored it, but didn't get around to testing until working on my e-book Low Temperature Kilnforming.
That work showed there is a larger difference in air temperature above and below the unsupported mould than the supported one. But that difference is much smaller than between the air temperature and the glass.
At 150°C/270°F per hour the maximum difference in the temperature under the mould between the elevated and on-the-shelf mould at top temperature was 41°C/74°F while the air temperature difference was 126°C/227°F higher than under the elevated mould. Many of the tests showed less difference than the maximums given here.
By reducing the ramp rate from 150°C/270°F per hour to 120°C/216°F, the under mould to above mould differential was reduced by a quarter. I didn't test beyond that. But it would appear that slower rates of 100°C/180°F and less will reduce that differential.
The graph also shows that there is a large difference between what the pyrometer reads than the mould temperature of the slump. Slower ramp rates produce an air temperature much closer to the mould temperatures.
Shortly into the rapid cool towards anneal soak and cool only minor temperature difference showed between elevated and on-the-shelf moulds throughout the anneal soak and anneal cool.
These details make it clear to me that elevating moulds is completely unnecessary with slow ramp rates. This of course, fits with the low and slow mantra that many of us promote. However elevating the mould will not harm the slump.
One caution, though. Damp. Wet, or heavy moulds must be supported to avoid breaking the shelf. So I advocate placing these moulds on the floor of the kiln with 2cm posts, rather than on the shelf. I don't know if it is necessary. I haven't tested it. But I do know that moulds in this condition will break the shelf without significant separation between the two.
Low Temperature Kilnforming e-book is available from Bullseye and Etsy and is applicable to all fusing glasses.
Wednesday, 14 May 2025
Draping over steep moulds
Draping over a narrow or small supporting ridge with large areas of glass is difficult.
One solution might be just to invert the whole piece and let the glass slide down into the mould. However, there rarely is enough height in a glass kiln for deep slumps, especially with a “V” shaped mould. It has to be high enough for the edges of the glass to be supported at its edges. You could also approach this by having a first mould with a shallower angle or broader support at its centre. Drape over this first, then use the steeper mould as the second draping mould. This makes the balance less critical.
The idea of supporting the glass is the key to doing this kind of slump that seems to require an impossible balancing act, if it is to be done in one go. Place kiln washed kiln furniture at the edges of the otherwise unsupported glass. Fire the kiln, but watch until the glass begins to slump. Then reach in with a wet stick and knock the kiln furniture aside to allow the glass to continue its slump and conform to the mould shape.
The lower temperature you use to do the draping and the slower your rate of increase is, the less the glass will be less marked by the mould. Frequent brief visual inspection during the drape is vital.
Also have a look at a suggestion for the kind of firing required for this here.
Friday, 14 March 2025
Draping over steep moulds
Draping over a narrow or small supporting ridge with large areas of glass is difficult.
One solution might be just to invert the whole piece and let the glass slide down into the mould. However, there rarely is enough height in a glass kiln for deep slumps, especially with a “V” shaped mould. It has to be high enough for the edges of the glass to be supported at its edges. You could also approach this by having a first mould with a shallower angle or broader support at its centre. Drape over this first, then use the steeper mould as the second draping mould. This makes the balance less critical.
The idea of supporting the glass is the key to doing this kind of slump that seems to require an impossible balancing act, if it is to be done in one go. Place kiln washed kiln furniture at the edges of the otherwise unsupported glass. Fire the kiln, but watch until the glass begins to slump. Then reach in with a wet stick and knock the kiln furniture aside to allow the glass to continue its slump and conform to the mould shape.
The lower temperature you use to do the draping and the slower your rate of increase is, the less the glass will be less marked by the mould. Frequent brief visual inspection during the drape is vital.
Also have a look at a suggestion for the kind of firing required for this here.
Wednesday, 8 January 2025
Slumping Splits
This is a description of the analysis process to determine the possible causes of a split during a slump.
![]() |
Credit: Maureen Nolan |
Observe the piece.
It is a tack fused piece, about 20cm (8") square, which
has been slumped.
The base layer is of clear. The piece has three additional layers,
but the fourth layer is only of small glass dots and rectangles. The central, heart, area is made of three
layers.
A split has appeared during the slump. It is split
irregularly through pieces rather than around them. It is split through the thickness but only
partially across the piece.
In one area the (brown) third of four layers spans the
split. Further to the left a brown
second layer seems to have broken, but still spans the split.
Threads and particles of glass are connecting across the
split.
The edges are probably sharp, although only so much can be
deduced from a description and one photograph.
History of the Piece
The tack fused piece has been put in a mould to form a platter
and has split during the slump.
The schedule in essence was:
139ºC/250ºF to 565ºC/1050ºF for a 30’
soak (some pauses but all at a ramp rate of 139ºC/250ºF)
83ºC/150ºF to 688ºC/1270ºF for 10’
222ºC/400ºF to 516ºC /960ºF for 60’
111ºC/200ºF to 427ºC/800ºF for 10’
167ºC/300ºF to 38ºC/100ºF, off
The assumption is that the tack fused
piece received a similar annealing soak and cool.
Diagnosis
Too fast
Slumping a tack fused piece of three
layers plus decorative elements on top needs to be fired as for 19mm (6 layers)
minimum (twice the actual). My work for the
Low Temperature Kilnforming* eBook showed best results are achieved by slumping
as for one more layer (21 mm/0.825” in this case). This gives a proposed schedule of:
120ºC/216ºF to 630ºC/1166ºF (not 688ºC/1270ºF) but for 30 to 45 minutes
AFAP (not 400ºF) to anneal 516ºC/960ºF for 3.5 hours (not 1 hour)
20ºC/36ºF to 427ºC/800ºF, 0
36ºC/65ºF to 371ºC/700ºF,0
120ºC/216ºF to room temperature
Commentary on the proposed schedule:
The slump is relatively shallow, so a low
temperature with a long soak is the most suitable schedule for this piece. The drop to anneal is at a sedate rate of 222ºC/400ºF. This is inappropriate, generally. Just as there is a rapid rate to top
temperature to avoid devitrification, so there needs to be an AFAP drop to
anneal, also to avoid devitrification. The
anneal soak was not the cause of the break, but it is worthwhile noting the
recommended anneal soak and cool rates are longer and slower than that
used. This is a note for the future.
Suspect Tack Fuse
If the tack fuse schedule was like the
slump schedule, the slump was started with inadequate annealing in the previous
firing. More importantly, the evidence
for an inadequate tack fuse is that the split under the brown rectangle was
through the clear and red on top, but the split left the brown intact. This means it was not securely fixed to the
red below it.
If the condition of the tack fuse is not
sound, it is probable that difficulties will be experienced in the slump. The poster commented “… why do [these splits]
happen only when slumping – it came through tack just fine.” It is probable the tack fuse was not “just
fine”. The way to be sure the previous
firing was just fine, is to test for stress.
There is enough clear in this piece that an inspection for stress could be conducted by use of polarising filters before the slump. Testing for stress is a simple viewing of the piece between two sheets of polarised light filters. Doing this test will give information on the amount of stress, if any, in the flat tack fused blank.
Slump Split
During slumping the glass is subjected to
more movement and therefore stress than while being fired flat. The glass is often only barely out of the brittle
zone when being slumped and that makes the stress more evident during the early
part of the slump. This requires careful inspection of the failed piece.
Look at the glass surrounding the split. My opinion is that the edges are sharp. If rounded, the threads of glass from the
edges of white would have melted to the edges of the split rather than spanning
it.
It appears the top layers were hot enough for less viscous glass on top to form stringers that span the break as the underlying layers split. It is probable that the split was during the plastic phase of the slump for the upper glass, but the lower layers were not as hot and suffered thermal shock.
This split of lower layers, while the
overlying ones are whole, is often seen in tack fuses, although the top ones do
slump into the gap as the firing proceeds. In a slump there is
not enough heat, time or space, for the brown piece to slump into the gap. Both splits appear to be a result of too
rapid firing. In the flat fusing work,
the split results from too fast a ramp rate during the brittle phase of the
glass. But the slumping splits appear to
occur after the brittle phase, almost as a slow tear in the glass. This may result
from the differential heating of the layers if not fully combined. It may also indicate the split developed
slowly.
One other observation is that these
splits seem to be more frequent during the slumping of tack fused pieces. As speculated above, it may be the inadequate
tacking together of the pieces of glass during the first firing, which can form a discontinuity in transmitting heat. And it may be that the different thicknesses
across the tack fused piece allow stress to build from differential heating of
the glass.
Rates
Whichever of these speculative effects
may be true, it appears the ramp rates are suspect. As mentioned elsewhere* (and in Kilnforming
Principles and Practice to be published soon), the reasons for these splits
are not fully known. Even microscopic
examination by Ted Sawyer has not produced a satisfactory explanation. The only practical approach that has been
successful is to slow the ramp rates. However,
the appearance of these splits is essentially random (with our current
understanding), so prevention is difficult.
Conclusion
The probable cause of the split in the
slump has been that the ramp rates were too fast. This may have been made worse by the too
short anneal soak, and the too fast cool of the tack fused blank.
Remedy
There is no practical rescue for this
piece. Prevention in the future is to
use ramp rates that are for at least one layer thicker, if it is full
fused. If it is tack fused, firing as
for twice the thickest part plus one additional layer is advisable to slow the
ramp rates, allowing all the glass to heat and form at the same rate.
*Low Temperature Kilnforming; an Evidence-Based
Approach to Scheduling. Available from:
and
Saturday, 28 December 2024
Devitrification
Dr. Jane Cook states that devitrification is not a category (noun), but a verb that describes a process. Glass wants to go toward devitrification; a movement toward crystallisation.*
Mild devitrification is the beginning of crystallisation on the surface of the glass. It can look like a dirty film over the whole piece or dirty patches. At its worst, the corners begin to turn up or a crackling can appear on a granular surface. This is distinct from the effects from an unstable glass or the crizzling as in a ceramic glaze. Devitrification can occur within the glass, but normally is a surface effect as oxygen is required.
Differences in the surface of glass promotes precipitation of the crystal formation of silica molecules. This fact means that two defences against the formation of crystals are smooth and clean surfaces. There are other factors at play also. The composition of the glass has an effect on the probability of devitrification. Opaque glass, lime, opalising agents, and certain colouring agents can create microcrystalline areas to "seed" the devitrification process. One part of the composition of glass that resists devitrification is the inclusion of boron in the composition of the glass, acting as a flux.
Visible devitrification generally occurs in the range of approximately 720°C – 830°C/1330F - 1525F, depending to some extent on the type of glass. This means that the project needs to be cooled as quickly as possible from the working (or top) temperature to the annealing point, which is, of course significantly below this range.
There is evidence to show that devitrification can occur on the heat up by spending too long in this devitrification range, and that it will be retained in the cooling. Normally this is not a problem as the practice in kilnforming is for a quick advance on the heat up through this range, causing movement in the glass and so working against any crystallisation. The quick advance does not (and should not for a variety of reasons) need to be as fast as possible. A rate of 300°C per hour will be sufficient, as time is required for devitrification to develop.
Medical research into using a glass matrix to grow bone has shown that devitrification begins around 650C/1200F, but only becomes visible after 700C/1290F. This has implications for multiple slumps. Devitrification is cumulative, so the devitrification that may have begun on the flat piece will be added to in the slumping process and may become visible. For me this has appeared as a haze on the edge of the slumped piece. Avoidance of this effect is by thorough cleaning of the piece before placing it in the mould.
The devitrification seen in typical studio practice results more often from inadequately cleaned glass than from excessive time at a particular temperature, up or down, through the devitrification range. It is often seen as a result of grinding edges to fit. Even though the ground edge is cleaned, it may still be rough enough to promote devitrification. The edge must be prepared for fusing by grinding to at least 400 grit (600 is better). Alternatively, use a fine coating of clear powder to give a new surface to the whole piece.
Dr. Cook suggests three approaches to devitrification:*
Resistance through:
- Schedules
- Flux
Dealing with it:
- Cold work
- Acids
Embrace it:
- Allow it
- Use it
Other sources of information:
Temperature range for devitrification
Homemade devitrification solution
Frit to fill gaps
Low Temperature Kilnforming at Etsy and Bullseye
* From a lecture given by Dr. Jane Cook at the 2017 BECON
[entry revised 28.12.24]
Wednesday, 30 October 2024
Sample Tiles
![]() |
credit: Tia Murphy |
There are advocates for making tiles as references for future work.
- They show the profiles achieved at different temperatures.
- They can be stored for easy visual reference when planning a firing.
- It is a useful practice for any kiln new to the user.
These tiles are assembled in identical ways to enable comparisons. They should include black and white, iridised pieces- up and down, transparent and opal, and optionally stringers, confetti, millefiori, frit and enamels.
The tiles are fired at different top temperatures with the same heat up schedule with the top temperature of each at about 10C or 20F intervals. These show what effect different temperatures give. Start the temperature intervals at about 720C or 1330F.
This is a good practice, even if time consuming. It gets you familiar with your kiln and its
operation. It gives a reference for the
profiles that are achieved with different temperatures at the rates used.
Ramp rate and time
But, as with many things in kilnforming, it is a little more
complicated. The effect you achieve is
affected by rate and time used as well as the temperature.
The firing rate is almost as important as the temperature.
- A slow rate to the same top temperature will give a different result than a fast rate.
- The amount of heat work put into the glass will affect the temperature required.
- Slow rates increase the time available for the glass to absorb the heat.
- Glass absorbs heat slowly, so the longer the time used by slower rates, the rounder the profile will be.
Since time is a significant factor in achieving a given
profile, any soaks/holds in the schedule will affect the profile at a set
temperature. A schedule without a bubble
squeeze will give a different result than one with a bubble squeeze at the same
temperature.
To help achieve knowledge
of the rate/time effect, make some further test tiles. Use different rates and soaks for the test
tiles of the same nature as the first temperature tests. But vary only one of
those factors at a time. Consider the results of these tests when writing the
schedule for more complex or thicker layups.
Mass
Also be aware that more mass takes longer to achieve the
same profile. Slower rates and longer
times will help to achieve the desired profile at a lower temperature. It is probably not practical to make a whole
series of test tiles for thicker items.
But, a sample or two of different thicknesses and mass will be helpful
to give a guide to the amount of adjustment required to achieve the desired outcome.
The results of sample tiles are due to more than just temperature. They are a combination of rate, time, and temperature (and sometimes mass). These factors need to be considered when devising or evaluating a schedule, because without considering those factors, it is not possible to accurately evaluate the relevance of a suggested top temperature.
See also: Low Temperature Kilnforming, available from Bullseye and Etsy
Wednesday, 23 October 2024
Scheduling for Thick Landscapes
Thick slabs often involve numerous firings of increasingly thick work. I am using an existing example, with their permission, of the first stages of a thick landscape. The initial concern was with bubbles in the first layup, then the strategy for firing the thick slab.
Plans
This is the first part of a landscape with depth. It will be fired 5-7 more times. This first piece will be inverted for the
next firing with the clear facing up, to avoid reactions between the colours. It is similar to an open face
casting. There is a Bullseye Tip Sheet on open face casting that will give a lot of information.
Layup
![]() |
Picture credit: Osnat Menshes |
This work has a base of clear that is mostly overlaid with one layer of 3mm pieces, although in some places another layer, and there are some pre-fired elements as well. It is fired on Thinfire shelf paper.
Bubbles
There is concern about the number and size of the bubbles after the firing, and how to avoid them. Will they grow over the multiple firings?
The many small bubbles are characteristic of kilnformed
glass. The few larger bubbles may result
from the frit that is under the pieces that form the top surface. And there are some overlaps of clear over
colour that may form pockets where air can collect. I advise leaving the scattering of the frit until all the decorative pieces are in place. The bubbles will migrate toward the top during
the multiple firings. They will not grow
in size unless they combine during the upward migration. A later suggestion about
reducing the number of firings will reduce the bubble migration and risk of
increasing in size.
![]() |
Picture credit: Osnat Menshes |
Schedule
Proposed Schedule (Temperatures in degrees Celsius)
1: 180 – 560, 30’ I would go to 610 for 30'
2: 25 – 680, 120’ I would use only 30'
3: 220 – 810, 15’ I would set the top temperature at 816, 15’.
4: 9999 – 593, 30’ Eliminate this segment.
5: 9999 – 482, 120’ I suggest one hour soak
8: 55 – 370, off 83 – 427, 0’
7: 150 – 371, 0’
8: 330 – to room temperature, off.
Eliminate segment number 4. Any temperature equalisation done at this
temperature, is undone by the AFAP to the annealing. The temperature equalisation occurs at the
annealing temperature. No soak at an intermediate temperature is required. This blog post gives some information about annealing above and below the annealing point (Tg).
Firing Incremental Layers
The plan is for five to seven more firings. Continuing to build up the thickness on
each firing, may have some problems.
- There is increased risk of compatibility problems when firing a piece to full fuse many times.
- There is a risk of more bubbles and of the existing ones becoming larger as they move upwards and combine with other smaller ones.
- With each firing the thickness is increasing and so becoming a longer firing. This is because the heat up, annealing, and cooling each need to be longer. For example - 6mm needs 3hour cooling, 12mm needs 5 hours, 19mm needs 9 hours.
Multiple Slabs
These are the main reasons that I recommend firing a series
of 6mm slabs separately and combining them in one final firing. Firing a series of 6mm slabs and then combining
them in a single long and slow final firing has advantages.
- The individual pieces do not need to go through so many full fuse firings, reducing the risk of compatibility problems.
- The small bubbles in each firing will not have the chance to rise through all the layers to become larger.
- The total time in the kiln for the combined pieces will be less than adding layers to already fired layers.
Examples
It is often difficult to convince people that firing by
adding incrementally to an existing slab, longer firing times are required than
by firing a group of 6mm slabs and a single combined firing of all the slabs. I give an example to illustrate the
differences.
Annealing
Assume there are to be a total of eight firings (existing
6mm slab and 3mm for each of seven more firings). Also assume that each additional firing is of
3mm. This makes a total of 28mm. Compare
annealing and cooling times for each firing:
Firing
thickness anneal and cool (hours minimum)
1 6mm 3
2 9mm 4
3 12mm 5
4 15mm 7
5 18mm 9
6 21mm 11.5
7 25mm 14
8 28mm 17
Total 70.5
hours annealing time (minimum)
To fire up 5 six millimetre slabs takes less time – 3
hours annealing and cooling time for each firing cumulates to 15 hours. Add to that the final firing of 17 hours annealing
time. A total of 32 hours. This is half the time of adding to the
existing slab at each firing.
An additional advantage of firing 6mm slabs and combining them, is that bubbles can be squeezed out more easily in the final thick slab fring because of the combined weight of the slabs. You could make the individual slabs a little thicker, but that would involve damming each slab. Not an impossible task of course. And it would change the calculations, by reducing the number of firings.
Heat Up
Another time saving is to use the second cooling rate from the Bullseye document Annealing Thick Slabs as the first up ramp rate. Take this rate up to a minimum of 540˚C. Although, this is an arbitrary temperature above the strain point to ensure all the glass is above the brittle phase. It is possible to maintain this initial rate to the bubble squeeze. But with the slow rises in temperature required for thicker slabs, it is sensible to increase the rate from 540 to bubble squeeze to reduce the firing time. Once past the bubble squeeze a more rapid rate can be used to the top temperature.
The heat up times could be about half the minimum cooling times.
A worked example (with
certain assumptions) would be:
Firing
thickness time to top temperature total time.
1 6mm 6.3
2 9mm 7.1
3 12mm 8.4
4 15mm 10.7
5 18mm 15.9
6 21mm 19.4
7 25mm 25.1
8 28mm 29.1 ca.122 hours
But firing five times for 6mm equals 31.5 hours plus the final firing up of 29.1 hours equals a total of 60.6 hours. Again about one half the time of progressively building up a base slab to the final thickness.
Savings
This example shows
that approximately 90 hours of firing time can be saved by making a series of
six millimetre slabs and combining them in a final firing. There is the additional advantage of reducing
the occurrence of bubbles between the layers in the final firing because of the weight of the
combined slabs.